11 - The Power of Human Design for Life & Business with Rayana Starre

The Power of Human Design for Life & Business with Rayana Starre

In this episode of the Wellness in Asheville Podcast, I’m joined by Rayana Starre, certified Human Design analyst and business consultant. We explore the science-spirituality intersection of Human Design: how it works, what it means to live in alignment with your design, and how it changes everything from relationships to business to career.

We dig into what it means to be a Projector, the magic of waiting to be recognized & invited, how your decision-making authority works, and real-world practices that bring more authenticity, clarity, and less effort into daily life.

Key Takeaways

• Understanding the four Human Design Types: Generators, Manifesting Generators, Projectors, Reflectors — what each type needs & how each “machine” operates.
• Projectors are wired to guide. They don’t generate constant energy but have a powerful presence when recognized & invited.
• Decision-making is personal: whether by gut/sacral, emotional clarity, splenic intuition, etc. Honoring that authority matters.
• Practical use: Human Design isn’t just “woo-woo.” It can shape career moves, business team structure, relationships, and personal boundaries.
• Living in alignment leads to more ease: less bitterness, more peace, greater self-trust, and energy conserved.

Timestamps

00:00 – 03:00 | What is Human Design, and its origin story
03:00 – 08:00 | The four energy types explained + what they mean for daily flow
08:00 – 13:00 | Deep dive on Projector life: strategy, recognition, invitations
13:00 – 17:30 | How decision making works in Human Design: authorities & examples
17:30 – 22:00 | Real business applications: teams, roles, and collaboration
22:00 – 26:30 | Rayana’s personal journey: boundaries, rest, and embodiment
26:30 – End | Advice for listeners: how to experiment with your design

Episode Links

• Rayana Starre – Human Design Analyst & Business Consultant
• Asheville Human Design Meetup
• Human Design Coaching with Rayana
• Discovering Your Unique Traits & Strengths with Gates & Channels
• Hatch Co-Working

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Transcript

rayanna starre

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Okay.

Speaker: Welcome to the Wellness in Asheville Podcast, where we shine a light on the people practices, and places that make this city one of the most inspiring wellness communities in the country. I'm your host, Travis Richardson, founder of Be Well Asheville, your local news source for health, wellness, and community events.

Speaker 7: Often we're told that success means sacrificing joy or working against our natural rhythm, but what if success could actually feel aligned, easeful, even soulful? Across the world, people are seeking frameworks that integrate purpose with productivity, blending intuitive and strategic approaches to leadership and life.

Human design is one such system. The synthesis of astrology, the ITing, the Kabbalah Tree of Life, and modern science that reveals how each person is uniquely wired to make decisions in exchange. [00:01:00] It matters because it offers a practical roadmap for living authentically, honoring differences, and creating environments where people thrive by being just who they are, not who they're told to be.

Today's guest, Rihanna Star, is a powerful guide just. At that intersection helping others unlock their soul's blueprint and take aligned, courageous action. Rihanna is a transformational career and business coach and mindset ninja. With over 25 years of experience helping people reinvent their lives from the inside out.

She has a Bachelor's in psychology and certifications like the Master NLP, neurolinguistic Programming Coach, business coach, human Design Analyst, and BG five business consultant. She brings both science and soul to her coaching. In my own experience though, Rihanna, she's just, she carries this powerful commanding presence.

Um, and like when I'm around her, she's something that just draws you in because she's so, she's [00:02:00] inspiring her words are clear, she's grounded, and you just really enjoy how you feel when you're around her. She's a natural leader, in my opinion, who elevates all the conversations. She, she enters into. I met her at Hatch Coworking space downtown Asheville at their ritual Wine and Cheese Thursday event, which I love.

Uh, and she just instantly made me feel welcomed, and that was great because I was the new guy. And it just says a lot about who she is, how she makes people feel. So, without further ado, let's meet Rihanna. Get into the.

So welcome to the show, Rihanna, here to talk about all things human design, which is just the most fascinating topic to me. I'm really excited to hear you speak about this topic today. 

Speaker 9: Great. Well, thanks for having me on the. Podcast Travis. I'm looking forward to having this conversation with you. It is a deep rabbit hole that we can dive into and go as deep as you [00:03:00] want.

Speaker 7: That's great. And you know, I met you, I don't know, maybe it was like a year ago at Hatch and uh, you know, it was like a wine and cheese night. And what's crazy is, as you and I have discussed, is our energies are very compatible. You told me that basically reading my chart, but tell the listeners, what is human design?

Speaker 9: Well, human design is actually a science. It was a. Uh, there was the founder, the catalyst, they call him the Clarion Raw Uru, who, who, um, had this powerful, disturbing, transformational experience where a voice literally channeled through him for eight days and nights and filtered this whole body of work through him.

And then he spent the remainder of his life, and that was back in the. Mid to late 1980s and then [00:04:00] spent the rest of his life until his death, I think, which was in 2012 or 2013, somewhere in that range. Um, teaching it and developing, and it's a science, although it's roots are in esoteric sciences that long before the last few hundred years were things that.

Civilizations for thousands of years relied on before the analytical mind came in, and the Western authoritarian kind of way of thinking came in and the analytical mind trumped all other authorities. You know, its roots is a synthesized system of astrology just to get the data points. It's not astrology.

Um, back in 1761 we went, we evolved as homo sapiens into a nine energy centered being rather than the seven chakras. [00:05:00] We have nine energy centers, so that was 9 17 81, and then the each ching comes into it. The 64 gates of the Y Ching have been likened to the 64. Codons of the DNA strand, and it's really kind of freaky when you start to look at everything, how closely science and spirituality meet.

And then there's the Kabbalah Tree of Life, which is the body graph, and so there's just layers and layers. Also, quantum physics and biomechanics factor. 

Speaker 7: It seems to me any one of those systems is complex and complete in its own right. Maybe it's the synergy of these systems together that's doing the magic.

Speaker 9: It's, there is a synergy. I'll give you an example because I, I'm always hesitant to, to speak from the mystical side because I know I'll lose half the audience, but considering who your audience [00:06:00] is, but it's really interesting because rah Uru who says, look, this is not a belief system. It's not a philosophy, it's a science.

Don't take my word for it. Go out and practice using it. Go enter your experiment. We are conditioned. By parents, by society, by our teachers, by our peers who fit in and be homogenized. So we all fit in and human design is coming in, and that's why the name of my human design practices permission to be You.

It's about, no, you're not designed to be a she Pull. You're here to be. We're all unique, like a fingerprint. We are all very unique, and when you're given permission to be, I like to use this analogy with clients and students. It's like you've been going along [00:07:00] your whole life being told you're a broken vacuum cleaner, and then someone comes along and sees that you're not a vacuum cleaner, you're a microwave.

Speaker 10: And they 

Speaker 9: set you up on a shelf in the kitchen and they put food in you and you heat it up and they're, you're like, oh my God. Now you know your purpose and how you're meant to operate. 

Speaker 7: I know a small amount of human design thanks to you. And what I do know from my, my brief study of it is it, it literally kind of tells you what you're made for.

Um, and like, I guess for, for me, being a mental projector, which is I guess what I am. And there's this whole idea, which I find fascinating about asking for permission and I to ask. So it's not 

Speaker 9: asking for permission. You're waiting to be recognized for your unique talent, skills and abilities. And then in invited, and we, as that's what it's projectors need [00:08:00] to wait.

For those really delicious, yummy invitations. We wait a lot, especially as a mental projector. 'cause you've got a lot of openness in your design and you're, you don't, you're not connected to direct energy sources within your design. You've got a hookup to external sources for energy and yet you're, you're very athletic.

And I can see that in your design. 'cause I've got your chart pulled up, but there are four types and. They're different kinds of machines or animals in a way. And we all, um, are designed to operate differently. And as a projector, we're, we're the guides. We're here to guide others and we have to wait to be recognized and invited.

And mainly because we have such a. Focused, penetrating, absorbing aura that we're not aware of it. We are not aware of how strong our [00:09:00] presence is. We can sit in a room completely quiet and dominate the energy of the room and not even recognize we're doing it. That's why I like to use the analogy of a lighthouse.

We don't see that beacon and it's waiting until people that are drawn to our energy. Acknowledge, recognize, and then invite us. And because we are here for other people to guide them, especially you, with such an open design, meaning you have a lot of centers in you that are open, you need to really be careful that you are accepting invitations where it's really delicious, yummy.

Like you are really. Accepting an invitation from a raving fan because as projectors we are highly sensitive to and conditioned by other people's projections onto us [00:10:00] projector. We project out. We get projected on and we discover who we are through our interactions with others. Yeah. And that's just one type of four.

Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. Let's, so let's just go over the four so that people understand. Sure. And I think that as I, if I remember right, that the projector is a, is a newer form, these are not fixed. And there will be maybe even a yet another, other, other, uh, types is no. No, that's, no, there isn't. That's not true. Okay. So you can, so, sure, 

Speaker 9: sure.

But that's why we're here. Right. And I, I wanna clarify because human design is starting to become popular and there's a lot of, um, you know, charlatans out there that read a book about it and then, you know, put their human design shingle out. And I'm a purist in that I've really learned from approved International Human Design School.

Um. Human Design School of America or the uk and Jovi and Archive are those approved [00:11:00] organizations, or the BG five Institute, which is the business application of human design. Because it is so layered, you can study human design for the rest of your life and still not learn everything, which is a yay in a boo.

You don't learn. It's not a quick fix for anything. It's a lifelong study or a lifelong experiment. That doesn't mean people that don't wanna study it can't get benefit from it. So the four types and the whole point of human design is this, to get you in alignment with who you are, your true, authentic self.

So it improves your health, your relationships, your work, your success. You feel more successful, fulfilled, happier, more peaceful. There's less disappointment, frustration, anger, or bitterness. So there's four types. The biggest type that dominates the planet, that's almost like 67% of the population are one of [00:12:00] two types of generators.

And think of the name generator. They, they generate. Their own energy internally, like how they're built. They're like a little generator. Think about when Hurricane Helene hit and people had generators. A generator provides energy and the two types of generators, there are not five types, there are four types.

There are just two types of generators. They are energizer bunnies. They have this. Enveloping, yummy. Come to me. They're a vortex sucking things towards them, and so their strategy is to respond. Wait to respond to the things that they're like uhhuh and they're responding from their gut, from their body.

These are people that should not be using their mind to make decision. They're people that are, it's my butt. It's my gut. My [00:13:00] gut. Mm-hmm. Like what's my gut telling me? What's my, the body is the boss for generators. And so a generator has this absorbing, enveloping, yummy energy aura. And they're attracting to them and their, their strategy is to respond.

Manifesting generators are just an energizer bunny on steroids. They're faster, they go faster, and they do more. They're, they're very concerned about being productive and using their time and not wasting their time manifesting generator. 

Speaker 7: They, they, they're the ones that have like the battery pack, the solar panel.

The, the rechargeable station. 

Speaker 9: Yeah. The, the, the five extra gallon tank of gas. Yeah. 

Speaker 7: Yeah. 

Speaker 9: And then you have, and so they're like 66, 60 7% of the population. There's been about F 46 million people that have been introduced to human design based on the statistics of the approved [00:14:00] sites, probably more than that around the world.

By the way, the planet Earth is a manifesting generator, so we are all in that generative field and conditioned by it. And when I say conditioning, it's. Anything that's influencing you in a way that isn't you, it's not a bad thing. A lot of times when you start studying human design, you think, oh, no, conditioning's bad.

The transits are conditioning us. Your environment's conditioning you, your, the people you spend the most time with are conditioning you. It's not a bad thing, it's just to be aware of who, what is me and what is. Them, you know, and you can use conditioning, like the reason you and I click is we complete each other.

We have some electromagnetics in our design that's conditioning. It's not a bad thing, it's just something to be aware of. And then you have projectors. You and I are [00:15:00] projectors. Projectors have the most variety. There's more variety of projectors than any other type. With manifesters, I mean, with generators you have a generator that is either, you know, a pure generator or a manifesting generator.

Mm-hmm. And there's two types of authority. They're either, you know, a, a sacral authority, how they make decisions. Or they are emotional, period. That's, that's it. With projectors, there's mental projectors, there's self projected projectors, there's ego projected projectors, there's splenic projectors, there's emotionally defined projectors.

So projectors are about 22% of the population, and we're here really to be conditioned by all the generators and guide them. So I like to use an analogy. Of a football game, and the generators and the manifesting generators are all the football players playing on the field, and the [00:16:00] projectors are the talent scouts, the managers and coaches alongside the field that are influencing the game.

They're not playing it. But they are influencing, they're watching all the plays, they're de designing the plays, they're coaching the players, deciding which players are gonna be of what roles and all that. And so we're not diving in to life face first, like a generator, and we don't have the energy to keep up.

And we can sometimes feel left out or ignored on the sidelines, or E even a little envious. Um, because they're so full of life and they've just got energy, energy, energy. But we're here ideally to be guides, coaches, advisors, managers, leaders, not dictators, democratic leaders that guide the process and guide the energy of others.

I 

Speaker 7: think we didn't, uh, discuss that this, this whole [00:17:00] concept is based off of your birth, your birth charts. Very much like astrology, of course, but obviously the, that information goes into a, in my opinion, it the most complex system I've ever seen devised. Um, so there's that. So I like you to talk about two things.

One, how is it different from astrology and secondly. How do people realistically use this in their lives? 

Speaker 9: Okay. To just complete, there's two other types. Manifesters have, do not enter closed auras, and they're here to have an impact and innovate, and they're the only type designed to actually initiate anything and then invite others to get involved.

They're about 9% of the population, and then reflectors are very rare. They have, they have absolutely no centers defined in their chart. Very wise beings. They're here to reflect back to us, to keep everyone honest and authentic. And I, that's just a quick, 

Speaker 7: do you have [00:18:00] an example of an Of a reflector? Yes.

Sandra. Sandra 

Speaker 9: Bullock is a reflector. 

Speaker 7: Huh? 

Speaker 9: Rosalyn Carter was a reflector. Um, yeah. They can be very wise beings. And I just read a post about Sandra Bullock recently. Someone really did a beautiful, and I don't know how true it is, but it sounded pretty factual. It was just an ode to her grace about how once things kind of fell apart with Jesse James, how she met this other man who was very private.

She adopted two children and then um, met this other man and there was this very private, quiet life and he ended up. Dying about 10 or 15 years later of a LS and she was with him by his side, and it was never public. And she, she never grandstanded about it. You never knew that she was just this epitome of grace.

Uh, that can be a, you know. It's not that other shines couldn't be just graceful and wonderful like [00:19:00] that, but they're, they're so rare, they're only about 1.4% of the population. Mm-hmm. So I, I like to kind of grab onto one, and she's such a great example because who doesn't like Sandra Bullock? But to answer your question, um, I had a, a gentleman I just recently was coaching for, um, career coaching.

He's an engineer. Very analytical. And one of the services I offer when I coach people in career transitions is a career analysis, which is a very in-depth human design analysis, but specific to career and business. And I said, look, this is part of the service. I think it's gonna be helpful. The only thing I need is your birth date, time and place.

And he rolls his eyes and he's reluctant. And I said, Hey, look, Jim. It's just a da. It's just data I need. And I said, I want you to reserve judgment. [00:20:00] Have an open mind. I get it. You're analytical, you're an engineer, you're skeptical. That's okay. I'm not gonna try and talk you into believing anything. So typically I'll do that.

In the beginning of the work I did, we ended up doing it in the end and we got beautiful results. He ended up getting a career, getting a 20,000 a year pay hike in a, in, in a better job that, you know, out of a toxic one. All that. And we did the career analysis in the last two coaching sessions. I was so blown away because, you know.

He actually made the decision on accepting the new job with his gut. Hmm. His sacral not his head, and he's got a very active mind and he actually acknowledged me and gave me feedback about how helpful Wow. The career analysis was. That's a very practical tool. So e, so I'm, like I said, I'm always a little hesitant on the woo woo stuff [00:21:00] because even the founder says, look.

Don't believe this. Use it in a practical way. So how do we use it in a practical way? Hmm 

Speaker 10: hmm. If 

Speaker 9: I were to distill human design down into something really simple that anyone could use, find out what type you are and then find out how you're designed to make decisions. If you find out what type you are, the kind of machine or animal you are, then you know how you're designed to operate.

Speaker 7: It's interesting how I said the way I remembered it because obviously I don't study this daily asking for permission. That's not, that was not accurate, but it, I've always felt like for me. Um, what was it again? How, how do you say what it is for a projector, for 

Speaker 9: projectors? One, you're waiting to be recognized, waiting 

Speaker 7: to be recognized, waiting to be asked, and then 

Speaker 9: invited to participate.

That's what it's, or to advise because when you don't, what happens, and a lot of projectors don't get this 'cause we [00:22:00] feel left out, we feel very bitter like. Put me in the game coach and like we're not seen and we don't realize how much we are seen that people feel our presence. We have a strong personality, okay?

What we, what projectors don't get is. I've experienced this many times. I still slip and, and see it in myself is if you're trying too hard, projectors should never lean forward, never try too hard, never compensate or lean in. We're actually meant to lean back and let people come to us, chase after us a little bit because otherwise.

How we affect other people is they feel very intruded upon 

Speaker 10: and 

Speaker 9: penetrated. 

Speaker 10: Hmm. And 

Speaker 9: like, whoa, [00:23:00] I didn't ask for your advice. Thank you very much. Mm-hmm. They're not receptive to our wisdom 'cause we are like an X-ray vision machine. People aren't always comfortable 'cause they sense, whoa, that person just.

It's too intense. Right? Or they're, they're, they're too deep and it's too uncomfortable, so you gotta wait until people are receptive. 

Speaker 7: Right? I've had that, uh, a number of times, and I think the, the other part of what you were saying is when I'm invited to, let's say, engage in a project or something business related, I really light up and I am full in, like I used to have some, I had somebody tell me, like, I had a business partner, and he goes.

When you, when you decide that something needs to be done based off of, you know, our collective like decision making, you are fully on in. And I got to thinking about that. It's really because I was invited. So there's this whole thing about that. 

Speaker 9: [00:24:00] It literally turns our switch on as projectors being recognized, really seen.

Now that's different from someone sees you and just wants to fill a seat. And it's not, they're not really seeing you. You can get bitter if you're included, but you're just taking up space and thrown into a generic spot. You can feel very bitter for that. It's the switch that turns us on is recognition of who we are.

The value we can bring and then we're provided with support. The energy, especially for someone like you who is a mental projector, you don't have, you're not hooked up to any of the four energy sources in your design. They're the little motors that we have, and even when you have them, I. Three of the four motors, the only one I don't have would make me a generator.

The sacral, I've got the ego and willpower, the heart, I've got the solar [00:25:00] plexus, the emotional intelligence, and I've got drive and stand on the root. So I've got energy, um, and my design is so widely split that I'm a mental projector and an energy projector that aren't talking to each other. 

Speaker 10: So 

Speaker 9: with you.

What you need to do is hear yourself talk about things with other people and collaborate one-on-one with people that are gonna source the energy like you're getting this project off the ground is. Mm-hmm. Collaborate, collaborate, collaborate, and plug in and get. People sourcing this to keep it moving along for 

Speaker 7: you?

Yeah. Yeah. That's what we did. Right before the call. I'm like, Hey, Ana, I wanna show you something and what do you think of it? I like literally was like, just doing just that. Yes. That's very 

Speaker 9: healthy for you. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not so much other people's opinions. You've just gotta hear yourself. You're literally a talking head.

You are meant to be a talking head. You need to verbally process. For you to [00:26:00] figure out what's right for you. 

Speaker 7: Interesting. So is this, is this I is would you say that this is astrology on steroids or is a PR is like there's astrology 10%, 50%. What? Just because I think everybody knows about astrology. Yeah.

That 

Speaker 9: there is an astrological element. You get the, the, the data points to pull someone's chart and. We look at transits, um, and the way you're looking at different aspects of your personality, they connect a planet. The sun is your core essence. Your personality earth is your what grounds and balances.

You. Moon is your driving force. The north node is, you know, south node and so on, and mercury. So, and, and then there are transits we look at. So astrology is one element, like. One layer [00:27:00] of the system, but then you've got the body graph, which is the Kabbalah Tree of Life. What's the body graph and the energy centers chakras, but there are nine, so we don't call 'em chakras, we call 'em energy centers.

But then you've got all the channels and the gates that are connected to the eing and the cabal tree of life. Then there's quantum mechanic physics. There's biomechanics like a generator. Generator and manifesting generator. It's all being in the body and, and trusting. Getting all that conditioning programming that you're brainwashed with throughout your life and trusting your body to 

Speaker 8: let you know what you wanna respond yes or no to.

Speaker 7: can you speak a little bit about how businesses have used Absolutely. And do use this? 

Speaker 9: Yeah. Because I am a certified human design analyst. And I was certified by one of the raw [00:28:00] Uru who approved organization's.

International Human Design School is the leading educator of human design from the source. And then I was also trained as a business consultant on how do we apply human design to business. I did a talk on it. Leadership on tap at Asheville Digital Nomads back in June, back in May. And there, it's fascinating, the business application of human design because one, they, they use different language.

They don't use the jargon. You know, a projector is an advisor. Generators are builders. Manifestors are initiators. Reflectors are evaluators. And we use different language so it doesn't alienate and turn people off. But the business applications of human designer are [00:29:00] mainly the studying of and helping people in business groups learn how to navigate.

Working in groups of people and how do we do that effectively and how do we honor everybody in the group? What happens often, especially in Western, the Western world in the United States, is you get in a group or corporation and it's everybody follow the rules and everybody be doing, be like everybody else.

That's not gonna work in a business on a team or in a group. You need to leverage, get the right people in the right seats on the bus. And there are 12 fundamental business skills and they're just from the pent up part of, just from the core part of the body graph. And there's all attributes and triggers and all kinds of things that come into play on.

Building successful businesses, [00:30:00] successful teams, where all 12 of those business skills are present in order for it to be a fully functioning healthy team, group or business. If there's a gap, it's an illness in a team business or group. Yeah. There are a lot of other assessment like DISC and Clifton strengths and I'm, I'm a big fan of assessments.

This goes beyond being an assessment. It's a tool to help leaders, um, be very strategic in how they build teams and how they operate their business, and also to help them understand their team members and their employees better. When you know that you have an init, an initiator, a k, a manifester, and they're gonna do much better working alone, you're not gonna keep getting.

Keep getting upset if they're taking off, you know you're gonna let them work on. Mm-hmm. Right. If you realize that projectors are better one-on-one, you know, you start to [00:31:00] leverage how people are built in a way that works for the team rather than all these. Everybody should be the same. 

Speaker 7: Mm-hmm. I wanna go, I wanna go back to the guy that you helped recently.

Yeah. And I'm curious the, uh, specifically the epiphany that he had after working with you. 

Speaker 9: What's interesting is usually the way I structure it, it's a three month coaching program because when people are looking for jobs, most of the time it's. You know, I, I used to do it for six months, but it's like they want faster results, and I thought, okay, let's condense this timeline and get.

Get things moving along. And it's three phases. Um, the first phase is just gaining clarity and confidence in doing an assessment on their skills. And then the next phase is branding. Rewrite the resume cover letter, LinkedIn profile, elevator pitch, getting ready and confident about presenting yourself.

And then the third stage [00:32:00] is actually doing the job search. In the beginning is usually when I do the career analysis, which is BG five. Business group five. It means base, group five, that businesses are built on groups of people and app. Penta is five people, and so we did his career analysis in our last two coaching sessions at the end of the three months, which is.

I, I almost always do it at the beginning, but that's what worked for us and it was, it worked great for him and it was very validating for him because in his design it was clear he was analytical and he was meant to use his brain and tension to details. Intelligent meant to figure things out. But to use it to serve others.

But how he was designed to make decisions that were healthy for him was in his gut. And he was a very intuitive, instinctual, gut kind of [00:33:00] guy. And he would second guess that he told me about buying a dream car. Um, a newer model of a, of a Mustang and how it was a gut instinct thing. And he drove off the lot and immediately felt guilty 'cause his head.

His mind started doing a number on him. So we have this analogy in human design, that the mind is in the backseat, that the body is the driver, the mind is not, and it keeps wanting to jump in the front seat and take control and steer. The mind is a great, a great tool for serving others for. Processing information for observing things, but we're all designed differently.

I'm designed to make decisions from my emotions, not in the heat of my emotions. I have to sit there and let my emotions go, my wave cycle, go up and down, and wait until I have emotional clarity that's gonna serve me better than [00:34:00] my logical mind, which I have a very logical mind. And we're not programmed that way in society to trust that.

Mm-hmm. And then you have very intuitive, instinctual people. Their spleen is their main authority and they're meant to make split second decisions. You know, their, their, their truth is in the now and it's tuning in to that still small voice that is only present in the now. 

Speaker 10: Hmm. 

Speaker 9: You, your strategy, your decision making strategy is you've gotta process things.

You've gotta, it's not to get other people's opinions. You need to hear yourself think out loud and talk to several people, and then you get clarity on what's right for you. Mm-hmm. So there's a lot of different. Strategies for, well, each type has its strategy for interacting and then our authority, our decision making authority.

[00:35:00] There's a lot of different ways that you make a decision that honors you. 

Speaker 7: Very interesting. H how do you use this in your own life personally? 

Speaker 9: Well, um, it's transformed my life. I'm a lot less bitter, healthier. Um, I. I have better boundaries, which is really important for projectors, especially an emotional projector.

I'm very selective about the company I keep. It doesn't always work. The last year I've been really challenged with a lot of tenants coming and going and a lot, you know, and it's, you learn from that how to have better boundaries, but I've. Been able to let go of people pleasing or, um, it doesn't mean I, I still don't feel a little hurt if I'm left out or whatever, but I don't try so hard to win people over anymore.

I just relax and I'm not chasing after backs anymore. [00:36:00] I'm more like, well, who's lining up? To see me, I'm, I'm just more relaxed, freer. I'm happier. I'm more comfortable in my own skin. I'm more successful with less effort. Um, I'm more selective. Um, I feel more supported in life. It's transformed my life. 

Speaker 7: So it sounds like for you, it's now not something that you necessarily have to think about Every single decision that you make now, the embodiment of the things that you've learned.

So, you know, to be careful. I wouldn't say 

Speaker 9: that. Like you, you know, Rahru who talks about it, takes seven years to. For the body to regenerate every cell. And he likens the de deconditioning that it's not a quick process, especially for projectors. 'cause we are the most conditioned people. 'cause we're designed to be, mm-hmm.

We're designed to be here for the other. And so I've been really committed to my own experiment of using [00:37:00] human design in a practical way for a little over 10 years. And I still. Get bitter and I still, you know, um, make you're still human. Okay. Yeah. But I would say, um, I live more in alignment with my strategy of waiting to be recognized and invited.

Like I just created an event in my Asheville Meetup group and in, in Meetup you have to pick a date for an event. But I thought, I'm gonna do something differently. So I, I picked a date. I, I picked, I created an event. I said, look, the date for this event is not the date. There is no date for this event. I'm gonna wait until there's six to eight people that are interested and you guys are gonna let me know when you want me to do this class.

Wow. Because I'm projector wait to be recognized and invited. That's how my [00:38:00] teacher did her classes. She became a millionaire teaching human design. She was an expert at it. She just was a really great teacher and, and she would not schedule when she was gonna do classes. She waited until there were enough students and she always said she needed about five or six minimum.

And that's when she would start classes because she was always full and busy. So I'm I. I use it in my business. I mean, it's woven into everything. 

Speaker 7: That's wonderful. Yeah. Uh, all right. So some rapid fire questions here. These are short answer form. What is your favorite, um, or do you have any other favorite coaching tools or techniques or anything else that you like outside of human design?

Speaker 9: Yeah, neurolinguistic programming, NLP, but a lot of people have jumped on that bandwagon. Every time you look around. There's a coach that's NLP certified, but are they really using it? Because mine sense at the foundation of everything, I don't know [00:39:00] if you hear the massive thunderstorm. Um, I do. I don't know if it's over by you, but it's it's fabulous.

It's like really going. But yeah, so I think neurolinguistic, programming's fabulous and honestly. Any tool that you resonate with? I'm not here to talk anybody into human design. I'm not a zealot. I'm not a fanatic, I'm not a guru. I'm not a big fan of any of those things. Mm-hmm. What resonates with you? I was coaching, um, someone recently and I was.

Already to do his career analysis. He goes, no, I don't believe in any of that, but here's my Clifton strengths. I do believe in that. And I'm not gonna argue with the guy saying, it doesn't matter if you believe in it or not. You know, it's like, okay, you know, I'm, you know. So, um, as far as coaching tools, what, what do you gravitate towards?

Honor your own path. 

Speaker 7: Mm-hmm. It's the same way as like with exercise. It's like, you know, what's [00:40:00] the best form of exercise? The one that you can continue to do for a long time. Yeah. Um, 

Speaker 10: yeah. All right. 

Speaker 7: What's the, what's your favorite, uh, wellness practice? How do you take, like, how do you take care of yourself?

Speaker 9: I believe it or not, as a projector, what helped me with my deconditioning experience more than anything is rest and relaxation is getting enough rest. Um, not packing my schedule, so not, you know, de-stressing and actually giving myself permission to just be, hmm. 

Speaker 7: I think that's a mess. And 

Speaker 9: eating healthy.

Eating healthy, 

Speaker 7: yeah. I think that's a message for pretty much all of us. Uh, especially, uh, when we are low on energy and US projectors don't have the same battery packs as these manifesting Well, especially socially. Socially, 

Speaker 9: especially in Asheville. There's always stuff to do and I can often feel. Like, I'm so boring and I can't keep up with it all.

And you turn around and I'm like, oh yeah, [00:41:00] that's all the generators and manifesting generators. Busy, busy, busy. Oh, I'm going from one thing to the next. Mm-hmm. Man, I, I, I, I have a, so, you know, a hike in the morning and maybe a social thing in the afternoon or evening, and that's plenty for me. I don't, I don't, half my days, I don't need to do that anymore.

Speaker 7: Right. And, uh, you know, tomorrow you have an, uh, a human design open house. I'm gonna go to it. Listeners right now are obviously not, uh, this is gonna be aired in the future, so they're not gonna be able to go to tomorrow, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna pop by, but do you have these regularly or would you have one down the road?

Yeah, I just like, what do you got going on? 

Speaker 9: Well, I just started Asheville's Human Design Meetup. 

Speaker 10: And 

Speaker 9: I, I mean, I just started that a little over a month ago and I've been, I'm finishing up a six week course that I have been doing live called Understanding the Basics of Human Design, [00:42:00] that I'm more than happy to do online virtually.

And I think at some point some people have expressed interest. But when enough people expressed interest and I'm recognized and invited, I'll try the online version. Another class I've created is discovering your unique traits and strengths, understanding gains and channels. All the little numbers and all the little lines, and understanding what are your unique qualities.

So that's a class, and then it's. Join my Asheville Human Design Meetup. You can be anywhere in the world for that. And I wanna do online events as well as in-person events. And then I do human design overviews and analysises and career analysises. I do consultations for businesses. There's a lot. I keep connection charts, part partnership analysis, analysis to see if you're compatible with someone.

So [00:43:00] there's a lot that I can provide people. 

Speaker 7: Yeah. And if anybody's seen these charts, no way I could have ever figured out what the heck is going on with mine. Have, had I not talked to you. So, uh, I definitely invite people to, uh, go, go check it out and, um, and go, go see Rihanna. It's, you're gonna, it's well worth your time.

Uh, thank you so much for you being on the show today. It's been really fun. 

Speaker 9: Yeah, it's, it's, I mean. You know, it's the tip of the iceberg and I appreciate your generosity and having me as a guest and there's just so much you can share about it and I appreciate your interest and also your Be well, you know, podcast and the community.

You're wanting to bring people together, so thank you for that. 

Speaker 7: Hmm. You're welcome. You're welcome. And if there's any way I can support you in the future, maybe we do with some courses and we, um, we, we could show course, course out there. Uh, maybe I'll be the catalyst for the [00:44:00] online version someday. Yeah, that'd be great.

That'd be fun. Cool. I look forward to it. Okay. Well, again, thank you for your time and, and, uh, we, we'll talk to you soon. Thanks. Yeah, 

Speaker 9: appreciate it. And the last thing I wanna say is 

Speaker 7: mm-hmm. 

Speaker 9: Human design. The reason I have spent 10 years studying it and living by it is. I'm a practical person, so it's not esoteric for me.

It's practical. 

Speaker 8: It gives you permission to be you. Hmm. Wonderful. Thank you so much, Rihanna. Thank you. Bye.

Speaker 7: To learn more about Rihanna's work, visit catalyst coaching solutions llc.com or email her directly at info at catalyst coaching solutions llc.com. If you're ready to align your work with your soul's blueprint and lead from a place of clarity and courage. Rihanna is someone you definitely want in your orbit.

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